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Mary Robinson on climate change: ‘Feeling “This is too big for me” is no use to anybody’

There seems little reason for cheer on this Monday.

The landmark report by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has just warned that urgent, unprecedented changes are needed to keep global warming to a maximum of 1.5C; even half a degree beyond this will significantly worsen the risks of drought, floods, extreme heat and poverty for hundreds of millions of people.

Donald Trump, rejecter of the Paris climate agreement, is riding high on the back of Brett Kavanaugh’s elevation to the US supreme court.

Britain and the EU are consumed by Brexit.

Brazil is on course to elect a president who wants to open the Amazon to agribusiness. Closer to home, the Irish government is flunking its climate policy goals.

Now, climate scientists warn that the clock ticks ever closer to midnight.

“Governments are not responding at all adequately to the stark reality that the IPCC is pointing to: that we have about 11 years to make really significant change,” says Robinson, sitting ramrod straight, all business. “This report is extraordinarily important, because it’s telling us that 2 degrees is not safe.

It’s beyond safe.

Therefore, we have to work much, much harder to stay at 1.5 degrees.

I’ve seen what 1 degree is doing in more vulnerable countries … villages are having to move, there’s slippage, there’s seawater incursion.”

Robinson sips a glass of water and sighs. “We’re in a bumpy time.

We’re in a bad political cycle, particularly because the United States is not only not giving leadership, but is being disruptive of multilateralism and is encouraging populism in other countries.”

This could be the start of a depressing interview that concludes we should hitch a ride on Virgin Galactic’s first trip to space and try to stay there. But it turns out to be surprisingly upbeat.

Despite the headlines, Robinson, who served as the UN secretary general’s special envoy on climate change after serving as the president of Ireland and the UN high commissioner for human rights, is hopeful.

She has anticipated the IPCC report by writing a book-cum-manifesto, Climate Justice: Hope, Resilience and the Fight for a Sustainable Future, published this week.

It tells stories of farmers and activists, mostly women, who tackle climate change in Africa, Asia and the Americas.

They are examples of positive change that Robinson thinks can help turn the tide.

“I don’t think as a human race that we can be so stupid that we can’t face an existential threat together and find a common humanity and solidarity to respond to it. Because we do have the capacity and the means to do it – if we have the political will.”

Climate change may be man-made, but Robinson believes women are key to the solution, through planting trees, recycling waste, eating less meat and a thousand other measures, big and small. “There’s a nurturing quality, a concern for children, that’s very deep in women. And women change behaviour. It’s women who decide what the diet will be. And, of course, in vulnerable countries, it’s women who bear the brunt of climate change.”

The former barrister karate-chops the air for emphasis. “I’ve learned from Archbishop Desmond Tutu to be a ‘prisoner of hope’, a great expression that he uses. That means the glass may not be half full, but there’s something in the glass that you work on. Hope brings energy.”

‘I’ve learned from Archbishop Desmond Tutu to be a “prisoner of hope”’ … Robinson with the Indian activist Ela Bhatt and the former US president Jimmy Carter in East Jerusalem for the NGO The Elders. Photograph: Menahem Kahana/AFP/Getty Images

So, while the Trump administration withholds leadership and money from the global effort for clean energy – “That’s where it hurts” – the US may yet meet Paris emissions targets, thanks to efforts by We Are Still In, a coalition of mayors, governors, tribal leaders, colleges, businesses, faith groups and investors that is continuing to follow the terms of the agreement.

The movement to divestment from fossil fuels is also making progress. “They’ve now moved to trillions being divested.

That’s very significant.”

Grim scientific prognoses must not paralyse civil society, says Robinson.

It must unite, march, organise, pressure politicians. “Feeling a complete inability to do anything – ‘This is too big for me, I give up’ – that’s no use to anybody. [With] despair, all the energy to do something goes out of the room.”

Robinson says she is adapting her own behaviour: fewer flights and more teleconferencing; eating less meat as an “aspirant vegetarian”; using public transport, although she confesses to taking taxis frequently. “I talk to the taxi drivers, that’s my compensation.

I get them to message for me. Ten years ago, taxi drivers were the most sceptical about climate change.

Now, they’re the most keen to get an electric car, or at least a hybrid.”

At the age of 73, Robinson has carved out a new role in public life.

No longer a high-powered global bureaucrat with a big budget and staff, no longer a head of state trailed by pomp, she instead relies on a formidable intellect, her brand name and her social and political network.

You could call it soft power, except Robinson does not do soft.

She is friendly and courteous, but the famous iron-grip handshake is still there; so too her antiphathy towards smalltalk.

The gaze is direct, the sentences exact.

When I go off-topic and ask about Brexit, or the Irish presidential election, there is a tight smile. “We’re straying far from the book, aren’t we?”

Supporters and critics have long noted a personal stiffness matched by an unbending commitment to liberal principles.

How else would a GP’s daughter from Ballina, County Mayo, emerge in the 1970s as a law professor and outspoken advocate for women’s rights and contraception while other politicians genuflected before the might of the country’s Roman Catholic church?

She was denounced from the pulpit and had condoms sent to her in the post. Nominated by the Labour party as a long-shot candidate for the presidency in 1990, she won.

It was an astonishing result that prefigured Ireland’s social liberalisation. It enshrined Robinson as a progressive talisman.

Kofi Annan tapped her up to become the UN’s high commissioner for human rights in 1997, three months before her presidential term ended.

It was a rare misstep.

She has expressed regret for letting the then secretary general “sort of bully” her into leaving the presidency early to head to Geneva.

Later, George W Bush’s administration bristled at her stance on human rights, Palestine and other issues after 9/11, which contributed to her stepping down in 2002.

A year later, Robinson found herself in a Dublin maternity ward holding her first grandchild, Rory. “I was flooded with a sense of adrenaline, a physical sensation unlike anything I had ever felt before,” she writes in Climate Justice. “In that moment, my sense of time altered and I began to think in a time span of a hundred years. I knew instinctively that I would now view Rory’s life through the prism of our planet’s precarious future … the abstract data on climate change that I had skirted around for so long became deeply personal.”

Robinson was struck by the injustice that those least responsible, such as islanders in Kiribati or herders in Kenya, suffered most from climate change, and by the fact that much of the world ignored scientists’ warnings.

Her response is to tell the stories of people such as Sharon Hanshaw, a hairdresser in Mississippi who led community recovery efforts after Hurricane Katrina; Constance Okollet, a Ugandan farmer who taught neighbours to plant trees to stop topsoil erosion; and Natalie Isaacs, an Australian entrepreneur who launched an online initiative to help households curb their carbon footprints. “I try to illustrate the hope and the fightback,” says Robinson. “And the need for empathy. We need to have empathy now with those who are suffering … because that’s where we’ll all be very shortly if we don’t change course.”

Robinson wanted to do a documentary to accompany the book, but she was advised instead to do a podcast. “Being of my generation, I said: ‘What’s a podcast?’” she laughs. She agreed. Thus was born an unlikely phenomenon: Mary Robinson, comedian. The former president co-hosts the podcast Mothers of Invention with Maeve Higgins, an Irish comedian based in New York. They banter while discussing climate change and interviewing guests. “People listen through Maeve, through her questions. It’s making it much more real. There’s no doubt that Maeve is drawing me to the dark side. I’m getting funnier because of that.” Higgins does the comedic heavy lifting, riffing and throwing out lines while Robinson plays the straight foil.

“I’ve learned that young people now in the United States get their politics from comical programmes,” says Robinson. She alludes to The Daily Show, but mixes up Jon Stewart with Jimmy Stewart and Trevor Noah with Trevor Nunn, which is actually pretty funny.

Maeve is drawing me to the dark side. I’m getting funnier because of that’ … Robinson recording her podcast, Mothers of Invention, with her co-host, Maeve Higgins. Photograph: Ruth Medjber

Robinson considers comedy a sensible response to existential threat. “Laughter in a very serious discussion is much more persuasive than if we were all the time serious, serious, serious.” I consider asking her to tell a joke, but my nerve fails; back to business. “We have 11 years to change course and it has to be done with a seriousness of purpose, particularly by governments, because they determine the rules.”

Preparations for a conference in Poland in December to ensure implementation of the Paris agreement are not going well, she says: “There’s a lot of arguing around what needs to be done.” She hopes the IPCC report will focus minds. “Future governments won’t be able to do what governments now have 11 years to do. In the future, we will have these tipping points – the Arctic will be gone, the coral reefs will be gone, the permafrost will be dissolving … all these things will just spin us out of control.”

Governments need to end fossil fuel subsidies and increase tax on carbon, she says. “Put a real price on carbon and do it now.

These are the levers that move things quickly and get the investment into clean energy. If governments are not capable of being more serious, then they lack moral leadership, which is what we really need now.”

Leaving aside the rest of the world, the country outside Robinson’s door challenges her optimism. When Irish civil society marches these days, it is for housing, not climate change. The government hinted that it would increase carbon tax in this week’s budget, but it did not. Climate change has barely registered in the presidential election. Robinson seems unabashed. “In my experience, human rights has always been a struggle. We don’t always keep going forward; there are setbacks and then you dig deeper. You get the prisoner-of-hope mentality and you fight harder.”

Climate Justice: Hope, Resilience and the Fight for a Sustainable Future is out now (Bloomsbury, £16.99). To order a copy for £12.49, go to or call 0330 333 6846. Free UK P&P over £10, online orders only. Phone orders minimum P&P of £1.99.

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  1. The notion that Earth’s climate has a “safe zone” that spans only 1°C is based on superstition, not science. There’s absolutely no real-world evidence for it.

    Global warming mostly affects winters, at high latitudes. It makes winters there a bit milder (esp. the Arctic), but the tropics and summertime highs have been little affected, which is nice, because the tropics are warm enough already.

    We’re currently enjoying what used to be called a “climate optimum,” which is what climatologists used to call warm periods. The Earth’s climate is unambiguously better than it was during the chilly Little Ice Age and Dark Ages Cold Period.

    At mid-latitudes, 1°C is roughly equivalent to an isotherm / growing zone shift of just 50 to 90 miles, a distance which is dwarfed by the range of growing zones for most crops:

    For annual crops, away from the coasts, 1°C of warming can be fully compensated for by advancing planting dates by about seven to nine days:

    Such warming would make growing seasons at middle and high latitudes are a bit longer, but that’s good news, obviously.

    There’s actually no “real world” evidence of net harm from man-made global warming (i.e., no evidence except the predictions of dubious, unvalidated computer models). Despite the 45% increase in atmospheric CO2 levels from human activity, and substantial increases in other “greenhouse gases,” thus far there’s no sign of any of the imagined serious ill effects:

    “Negative feedbacks” are removing CO2 from atmosphere about half as fast as mankind is adding it, which has greatly reduced the rate at which CO2 levels have risen. Those sounding the alarm about global warming thirty years ago did not anticipate that.

    So-called “climate sensitivity” (the effect of increasing CO2 levels on temperatures) is proving to be lower than alarmists expected, and not very worrisome. The combination of negative feedbacks and resource constraints limit the plausible increases in atmospheric CO2 levels, and the warming effect of additional CO2 is logarithmically diminishing, so the “forcing” increases which drive temperature increases will probably slow by mid-century, but even if they don’t, based on current trends the Earth probably won’t see more than about 1°C of warming by 2100.

    Coastal sea-level trends have not accelerated in >90 years.

    Droughts are not worsening, and higher CO2 levels are mitigating drought impacts by making plants more water-efficient and drought-resistant.

    Hurricanes are not worsening.

    The frequency of large tornadoes has declined.

    Agricultural productivity is dramatically up, for almost all crops; 15-20% of current agricultural productivity is a direct benefit resulting from the current higher CO2 levels, and that will continue to increase as long as CO2 levels continue to rise.

    Famines are becoming increasingly rare.

    The fretting sometimes heard from Irakli Loladze and a few others about nutrition is nonsense. Commercial greenhouses commonly use CO2 supplementation to triple or quadruple CO2 levels, because it makes the plants much healthier and more productive. That’s 6x to >8x the increase which mankind has caused in outdoor CO2 levels. If it were true that higher CO2 levels made crops less nutritious, then those greenhouse crops would be much less nutritious than crops grown outdoors. But they aren’t.

    Desertification fears have proven to be unfounded; in fact, the Earth is greening, thanks to CO2 fertilization.

    If you want to learn more about climate science, I have a list of good resources on my web site, here:


  2. What I posted is “real science on climate change,” John. Do you have questions about any of it? Is there anything, specifically, that I posted which you’d like references / documentation for?


  3. You should get your science from scientists, John, not “science communicators” and “science journalists.”

    I have you links to information from actual scientists, not “science communicators.”

    That NASA “Vital Signs” site is produced by the JPL Earth Science Communications Team, who are “communications” specialists, not scientists.

    They do have a team of science advisers whom they can call on, but the only one I’ve heard of (and I’ll bet the only one you’ve heard of) is Josh Willis. He’s they guy who “fixed” the Argo float data, so that it showed warming rather than cooling. He’s not exactly a neutral source, as you can see here:

    That “Vital Signs” site is notoriously deceptive. I wrote about it here:

    Now, are there any of the points that I made which you doubt? Go ahead, pick a paragraph, any paragraph, and I’ll happily document anything that you question.

    For instance, do you doubt the fact that, at mid-latitudes, 1°C of climate change is roughly equivalent to an isotherm / growing zone shift of just 50 to 90 miles, a distance which is dwarfed by the range of growing zones for most crops?


      1. John, I was an IPCC AR5 WGI expert reviewer. I know something about the problems with their reports, and process they used to produce them.

        What’s more, that link is not even to the IPCC Report. That’s just their Press Release, about the politically-shaped “summary for policymakers,” about the IPCC’s latest politically-motivated “special report.” Even if there were a rigorous scientific underpinning for it (and there’s not!), that would still represent multiple layers of politics between you and the science.

        If you get all your information by uncritically reading sources only on one side of a highly politicized field, like climate science, you are certain to end up confused. That’s why my web site, in addition to the interactive analytical tools, has links to the best scientific resources on both sides of the debate, including the IPCC Reports on the Left, and the NIPCC Reports on the Right, and many others.

        Now, returning to the topic at hand, are there any of the points that I made which you doubt?

        The fact that you probably hadn’t heard some of those things from the sources you read is proof that those sources are not providing you with balanced information.

        Go ahead, pick a paragraph, any paragraph, and I’ll happily document anything that you question.

        For instance, do you doubt the fact that, despite an increase of more than 100 ppmv in the atmospheric CO2 level, plus substantial increases in other “greenhouse gases,” and substantial warming (about 0.55 °C [according to Hadley/CRU], or perhaps as much as about 0.85 °C [according to GISS]), coastal sea-level trends have not accelerated in >90 years?

        Here are three especially high-quality, long, sea-level measurement records. The first two show typical trends at locations with little or no vertical land motion. The third (Stockholm) illustrates the fact that the global sea-level trend is so minuscule that in many cases it is exceeded by local vertical land motion:

        Do you know how to recognize “acceleration” in a graph? If so, the lack of acceleration in rate of sea-level rise should be obvious to you.

        That same lack of acceleration since the 1920s or before is evident in all the best-quality, long, coastal sea-level measurement records. See for yourself: here’s NOAA’s 2016 list of 375 long term trend tide stations for which they’ve done trend analysis:

        You can see why President Obama’s former Undersecretary for Science, Dr. Steven Koonin, observed that:

        “Even though the human influence on climate was much smaller in the past, the models do not account for the fact that the rate of global sea-level rise 70 years ago was as large as what we observe today.”

        Yet, despite the fact that measurements prove that atmospheric GHG levels have no significant effect on the rate of sea-level rise, the IPCC Reports, and other alarmist sources, still insist that rising GHG levels will cause wildly accelerated sea-level rise.

        That’s irredeemably unscientific. It’s a case of politics trumping science. So-called “scientific”[sic] sources which ignore the evidence which falsifies their predictions are, by definition, not scientific at all, because they’ve discarded the scientific method.

        In the words of Prof. Richard Feynman:

        “It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are, or what your name is. If it disagrees with experiment [or nature, or experience, or observation], it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.”


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